The first floor of Hunter offers a gender inclusive restroom. These mere mortals have a very strong say in allowing the person to move forward or not. Rev. Theyre off stream as of this sermon, once this is over, and then they are going to be Citizens Church over there in Plano. On Tuesday (7/30/19) we learned of a PATTERN of serious and grievous sexual sin that has required both the elders of Citizens Church and The Village Church to make a sober and serious decision. I look forward to reading what she has to say about the sexual abuse coverup in the church her ex-husband, Joshua was senior pastor. This article helped me to extract myself from a friend who fit this description (the end of the article gives some good advice). @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. It is all an enmeshed mess trying to figure out what the heck is going on. I am becoming increasingly concerned about Matt Chandlers ability to choose pastors that understand the need for integrity in the pulpit. That is bad. Evil b**tards. Expel the wicked person from among you. I Corinthians 5:12,13. Matt & Lauren Chandler are friends with the Halls they are not just obscure staff members. What could go wrong? He has a Change.org petition against him returning to ministry!) The technical skills can be learned as needed, but the human element, things like gentleness, grace and patience, in pastoral ministry is much harder to impart in the classroom setting. Ive known Hunter Hall since he was 16 years old. And when you add God to the mix as Enforcer THAT is the real meaning behind Generational Curses.). That is a noble cause this is, if everything were as it seemed. Shakespeares Falstaff, now supposed to be a lovable rogue, but hes a textbook narcissistic abuser. Dee, I would be hard-pressed to come up with the Top Ten Bad-Boy Preachers of 2020 there are so many worthy candidates for that infamous list! Those are our people. This is good. It all goes back to 2016, when Hunter committed adultery with a woman in the churchbut the story only began there. https://www.podbean.com/eu/pb-puvst-ba4f1e, I have really difficult news that I need to share with you, and its heavy, and its heartbreaking, Im going to read a statement: As Christians, we are called to make war with our sin and through grace to lead lives marked by holiness. Atheism Uber Alles. He was also a member of the band Folk Angel, with worship pastor Isaac Wimberley, who is quite famous in his own right. On the other hand, most pulpiteers that I have known were not spiritual men (not Holy Spirit anyway). on Swinging Pastors? Friend: Where I live, mothers do still handle the greater burden of child care, but fathers are expected to pitch in as well. I dont think it was help completely, but maybe itd be a start? Auburn, Alabama. Apparently one of his fans reported her to Twitter. what mattered was kindness and generosity. J. C. Pegram - 1897; Rev. Know this we are committed to caring for all involved in this situation, including those sinned against the Hall family, Hunter, anyone else directly affected, and you. . Anna is amazing. Two dads and all the women actively involved with the kids; other three men (including the dads of the rowdiest children) spent entire time chatting with each other at the table. Brewton, Alabama. healthy human beings catch themselves at some point, and get themselves on a better track. Excellent points, Emily honey. Becoming a stay-at-home-mom within a conservative Christian sub-culture has made me far more of a feminist (in the traditional definition of the word) than public school, a secular university education, and seven years of working for a liberal/secular college ever did. On the flip side, they bent over backwards to help out admitted adulterers. These people are holy. A psychological assessment is like a burglar alarm. A person involved brought to light what happened, and when Hunter was confronted, he admitted to the sin. Remember this a Reformedish type of church. Satan is the author of confusion. I was recently contacted by someone who informed me that VERY BAD things have gone on over at Citizens Church Plano (formerly The Village Church-Plano Campus) which involved the campus pastor, Hunter Hall, and the worship pastor, Isaac Wimberley. New Calvinism has a particularly bad case of it. According to this sermon dated April 7, 2019, Chandler says hes known Hall since he was 16 years old. More important, some denoms dont offer anything like riches or fame. We continue to work closely with Facilities Pastor Willie Hunter Jr. and Lady Shauna Cobb-Hunter, have been married over 20 years and are blessed with three children, Noah, Caleb and Leah. YOU WOMAN! Housing Scholarship Info. (christianity as wholly distinct from jesus of nazareth/Jehovah-/Holy Spirit). Max: Thanks, HUG a fascinating article. theyre not bad men. Words are paper & noise if they lack appropriate action. i mean, church culture messes with peoples personalities. McDonald was shot 16 . In addition to NPD, learning about malignant narcissists can be helpful. Yes, the story involves allegations of swinging pastors and attempts to groom members of the congregation to join in the fun. The overemphasis on grace-this and grace-that appears to be releasing these leaders from the obligation to observe moral law. You know the old myth that celebrities die in threes, or something to that effect? Everyone who trusted in Hunter Hall & Isaac Wimberley as religious leaders and representatives of Christ have been betrayed. And the men become conditioned to only consider themselves because the women are conditioned to never have an opinion. Guest Post: Making the Cut What Grade Must You Get To Become a Member At Watermark Community Church? A pastor can easily move from church to church after doing all sorts of bad things, and the next church he lands at is none the wiser. If there is no transparency in the church, it gives non-believers every right to call Christians hypocrites. there have been huge changes across the board in christianland. It kind of reminds me of mortal vs venial sin. A lot of these men are grown and harvested in problematic college ministries, Bible colleges,and discipleship programs when theyre young. The "Praise in Motion Dance Ministry" was established, under his leadership. Gods grace is the ONLY way anybody can ever be saved and resorting to a false faith plus works gospel is never the answer. We are their people. singleman: Im not sure such assessments are required prior to a church hiring a candidate for a pastors position. Call us at 281-283-2615 or send us Ryan Hunter. He came to despise me for addressing false teaching of Beth Moore in womens ministry and fir questioning things he himself said from the pulpit. Harriet. guests. Christian cultists, whether they admit it or not. When I learned that the chairman of the elders board at my church had been swinging with his much younger second wife (who had been coerced into it), had defrauded a church member and a person from outside the church, then committed insurance fraud a number of times (one of which caused an innocent fatality), it was shocking and sickening. Bill Decker, Executive Pastor. . the classroom. The Holy Spirit has done significant breakthrough in their lives at The Village Church. My source said that a friend of hers who is not even a member of Citizens Church, (or a christian) had heard about it and provided more details. Men often assumed or spoke for me and other women. This disqualifying sin happened in 2016, but came to light this week. And even if it fades into oblivion within a few years, how much damage will it do in the meantime? Your safety and health remain our top priority. They are our family, and God has raised them up and established them in Plano to do ministry in Plano for the people of Plano.. You will not believe itor maybe you will. The responsibility for any pain or fall out rests firmly on the shoulders of Hunter Hall & Isaac Wimberley. There are no slaps on the wrist for these grievous sins. I swear dee, every time I think Ive read it all about the fundagelical quagmire, you come up with breaking news that makes the swamp even more noxious. They have become Christians at The Village Church. There are thousands of them in SBC church plants and satellites of mega-churches, like The Village Church. https://www.podbean.com/eu/pb-puvst-ba4f1e, I have really difficult news that I need to share with you, and its heavy, and its heartbreaking, Im going to read a statement: As Christians, we are called to make war with our sin and through grace to lead lives marked by holiness. Clear Lake area for a conference? Yet another sign that Christians are Late Adopters. (I need to keep reading, but I am so sorry, I am so sorry) You probably have a myriad of questions, and we will be creating space for that, today and in the coming days. - Fri., 8 a.m. - 5 p.m. Namely: improved focus and contextualization, multiplication, and a chance to embrace succession and allow it to succeed instead of resisting it. Unfortunately, I suspect that even if better screening processes can be implemented, there will still be systemic problems of people who start out genuinely meaning well but who go bad when placed into situations that exalt them above their peers. It was never disclosed how long this pattern of grievous sin went on, or when it stopped. Calvinism in general would lead toward that. Pastoral search committees may not use Google, but the membership can. Hunter handles all Sunday morning experience aspects, including sound, production, and worship amongst others. Yes. It might help, but Im not sure how well it will work in the long run. Headlights are not a perfect safety program, but they help. Thinking that were heaven bound. Yes you read that right..a PASTOR (Hunter Hall & his wife), a WORSHIP PASTOR (Isaac & his wife) were swapping spouses & engaging in illicit sexual encounters and word was getting out. It makes me sick to think that the whole while these men were in front of the congregation preaching and singing they were focused on scoping out the wives in the crowd, probably deliciously imagining future encounters, instead of worshiping the Lord. We are committed to caring for you. I think a lot back to the college ministry I was in and where a lot of this stuff starts it was common for the boys and men to use women as scapegoats for *their * problematic behavior. Im convinced that New Calvinism is comprised of concentric inner rings. Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. "If Its Not Sex Abuse, Its Money, and Nothing Says Spend and Keep Quiet About It Like the SBCs North American Mission Board" New TWW post. or meal plans. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. What we had here were two long-term staff members of The Village Church who were highly regarded, very popular and ready to be launched into an autonomous church body as leaders. But it gets even worseAfter the leadership at Citizens Church discovered these new details and warned others to stop giving to the Halls & Wimberleys, suspicions began to arise that they had beengrooming other couples to join them. Continuing reading at this link. Former Youth Pastor at Brewton First United Methodist Church. Hunter Hall was a longtime staff member at The Village Church, most recently as the Campus Pastor of the Plano location (until August 2019). FORMER VILLAGE CHURCH SATELLITE ROCKED BY ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING ITS FORMER PASTOR. Wow. Welcome to the Christian Industrial Complex in America, where anything goes. Of course, they also went to public hangings and bear-baitings for fun. What these two pastors engaged in was pure wickedness. 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