The point here being, if we can define areas along the straight line or linier taper. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. It sounds very interesting. If so, which would work best as an all-around rod for lakes/ponds and steelhead/salmon? 50 0.213 Springcreek, the 8013 you have listed. Good question and I will tell you as soon as I finish my 5wt SLT. I hope this is for step down ferrule. 35 .207 .086 (Will Price). 10 .110 .254 The 8014 taper was devised later in Lyle's life and reflects both this ma The rod action will not resemble a straight line taper any longer. What physical characteristics make a taper roll cast well. Suggest that you subtract .006 for varnish. It does handle a 7 very well too. I think I can reply for Dennis, as I was one of the guys who measured those rods. 70 0.261 133729 I'm probably going to have to find a use for one as it happens as a design for a 7'6'' #4 that is nearing ringing looks a bit beefy for a #4. The same can be said for the EC Powell taper in Hexrod (the 7'6" 2pc 6wt in the archives) which IS A B-9 TAPER; just look at the average slope from stations from the 80" mark thru 0". 25 .232 .115 Stress curves are the only tool I have seen that give you a visual image of exactly what you have changed and the consequences of that action. "Proper amounts" and "correct points" are hardly scientifically precise terms, so I regret that I don't know what you might mean. 0.288 Kind of sounds like a pro Pickard crowd here. I just posted on the Rod Builders forum a 861711D Dickerson taper taken from a rod built in 1938 and restored by RW Summers in 2005. Yes. My vote goes to L.C. Apparently, the 'old masters' were just building fishing rods and not too worried about picking the fly poop out of the pepper. But nobody has a right to ask me to share it. Look at a graph of the rod dimensions. The idea is that the butt must not bend, and when it does its only at the very end, if it bends further down then the height of the line above the ground is dramatically reduced and thus fully one half of the "High speed high line" proposition is not met. The stepdown in the male is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule initially goes over the bamboo and steps down to 12/64 ID for the bamboo inside of the male slide. Quite a disparity. Garrison would have like straight line stress/strain results for the same reason Richard Walker did. Since it was a know Dickerson Taper and not a myth I set out to recreate how I think Lyle would of done it and it came out sweet. If you know something different about Dickerson's typical varnsh coat, make the appropriate adjustment. 3 months after I had the guy back on the phone asking me to make another one as its the best rod he has ever had. Jim Payne. Some good stuff here. You simply have to then adjust the rate of change of the taper - the rise. 85 0.3145 (Will McMurrey). 0.214 Maybe it is the version of the taper they are making, there are several out there. One of these days I am going to get myself a DICKERSON! is obviously your opinion, which you are entitled to. 45 .212 under reel seat, The numbers listed below are from Banjos' rod, 0 .084 .238 At the Grayling gathering, Bill Harms gave a presentation of Marinaro's approach to rod design. 10 0.101 154505 I think of it as an 8013G. (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. . The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection Varnish of 0.004 subtracted. For example, the 8013 taper I use is .202 at the ferrule end of the tip, and .212 at the ferrule end of the butt. The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. Very Good condition. Over the time I have made rods. 0.128 He has some of the original taper ledgers from Dickerson's shop and can clone a rod as well as anyone. So this spring I made the Dickerson 8014 Guide taper and prefer it for Lake Bass and larger bluegill. In the local streams we suffer the length to enable some sort of roll cast, but use #4 or #3 lines. Design notes: Dennis Higham's 861711 found in David Ray's taper archive is also designated a 'D' model. Are you so precise in your planing that all your stations are bang on, with less than .001"? Easy casting and very versatile. Brewer Rods These rods use tried and true taper designs as a starting point. Users can select the appropriate Morgan Handmill Cutter to match the geometry including both the 60.5 and 61.5 degree cutters for hex rods. by ShenRods 05/08/09 01:54, Post 20 .245 .130 I'm off to the antipodes next year, and I'm hoping that the 7'6'' #5 that should be a #4 will go with me. There is a view that all the great tapers have already been invented. Take a Garrison. Starting at a tip dimension specific to a given line weight you add diameter to the length of the rod in linier increments until you reach the rod length you want. I have always wondered why we don't just build linear tapers. The Garrison tip would be .078, B-9 tip would be .059, and a fast .018/5" drop a tip of .035. by alpom 05/08/09 03:35, Post (Greg Reeves), This version appears to me to take a step into account. 6 wt 0.0752 (Steve Weiss), That's the rub isn't it? I search on Google and didn't come up with anything. 1951Accession No.1987.010.024Made byNARMCO, The American Museum Of Fly Fishing I am still trying to fully define the effect, positive and negative each of these regions have on rod action. (Peter Jones), If you "Put some cane back" in the bottom eighteen inches or so of the top joint you will have removed most of my objections. The Lovely Reed by Jack Howell has numbers for the 1949 and 1951 versions. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. There seems to be a misunderstanding about the results this yields. For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? (Mark Shamburg). 0.205 I'll give you a bit of background on the question. the mid is 42' and the closest measurements are 40" and 45" SO 2/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 40 AND 42 AND 3/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 42 AND 45th. Bob through extensive research determined the tip dimensions for specific line weights and then calculated SLT for each. 0.174 30 .174 .322 The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. (Gary Nicholson), I think most rodmakers wouldn't build a rod to sell that they didn't like, but would make one for a customer that they wouldn't use themselves, I know I have. Part of the midwestcadre of noted builders, he built rods from the 1930's onward and was especially known for his fast two-piece rods. I would also like to know why a Dickerson 7613 taper imparts those characteristics. They did not understand that a slow taper pole will bend near the point of grip under stress, whereas a fast taper will bend increasingly towards the tip as the rate of taper increases. From 80 to 85, there is an increase of ~.070. Modified Lyle Dickerson 6611 Dry-Fly Action: 6' 6" 3 or 4: 11/64: 2/2: P702: Ponds, creeks . I would say it's a strong 7 wt, but it should work well with a 8 WF. I would go with Thramer. 60 0.242 It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. ChristmasMissives - ChatRoom - PhotoGalleries - LineConversions - TheJourney - ExtremeRodmaking - Rodmaker'sPictures - Donate - Store. The 7613 is a wonderfully versatile taper, the rod is light in the hand, and is at home casting sizes #6 Muddlers to #16 Dry flies. 0 0.072 - I've made at least a dozen Perfectionists (most with a swelled butt so they aren't exactly the same) and all their owners love them. (Will Price). But you also have the opportunity to add or remove material any ware alone the length of that rod and doing so will have an taper specific effect on the casting/fishing characteristics of the rod. One authority I know claims Jim Payne actually built more fly rods than Orvis. the 3pc tapers were appropriated from other makers so it does not always hold true in that case. Must have been a real thrill to cast Banjos' rod. by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post (Al Baldauski). 5 .326 .168 However, a straight line taper will create a rod in which the angle of deflection will increase from the butt to the tip at linear (constant)rate. There should be 20 measurements not 19. I have a chart of the dimensions at home, if you need a copy email me off list. I made the Dickerson 7613 from the numbers in Jack Howells book. All were very powerful eight weight rods with most of the action in the upper half. One of our longstanding rod models with classic cane color and a slightly more moderate action. by FWdB 05/08/09 03:32, Post What I do is look at the actual flat to flat measurements of the blank at the ferrule ends, match it against the chart for the best fit. There are about 4 to 5 version of the 7013, I like the 1970 version the best. I did subtract the .006 when I made mine and I love it as I do every Dickerson taper that I've cast. I will assume that you have calculated those several effects correctly, although I see no details. 7 wt 0.0790 Bamboo fly rod Dickerson 7012 taper 7ft 4wt 2/2. Dickerson 8015 Guide Special, 2607 - 5. The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection Gift of . For example a 13 was really a 13.5? Again, there is slight flattening around the ferrule, and I suspect the measurement at 35" is due to machine operator error/technique rather than designed in. I would be interested to hear Bob Norwood's approach on this issue. Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. This is merely about applying engineering principles to designing a rod for a particular application. I really must stir myself to come and fish them, it's time that's the enemy. All tapers are based solely or partially on the combinations of these basic deviations from the SLT. Made several of them. At Headwaters Bamboo Rod Company we build our rods based on proven "historical" tapers, meaning that the tapers we use were designed by Twentieth Century bamboo fly rod craftsmen. by JohnI 05/09/09 04:06, Post The top snake guide on the butt has a bit of a bend to it. My original point, with which you took issue, was: I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. Made 2 of the heavier one. The taper on David Ray's site is an 861711D. Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, I deducted .005 for the varnish. 761510: 7'6" 3/2 5 wt. Summers Bamboo Fly Rods Company Vom Hofe Reels Young Winston Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. There are some differences between their tapers and line sizes, however they are all somewhat medium fast. The most interesting rods have a distinctive type of action, and a particular form and design, which is distinctive, and which seems to express a particular maker's vision. Listed as 7 wt but that seems kinda heavy? The ID of the female ferrule where it accepts the male slide is .187", or 12/64. Part of the midwest cadre of noted builders, he built rods from the 1930's onward and was especially known for his fast two-piece rods. . Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. (Greg Reeves). If you want to see the justification for compound tapers look at the design of the Eiffel tower or any electricity pylon. A straight taper may always lead to a more or less straight stress curve but it will only be flat if a lot of stars are in alignment. Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea. This board is for discussing the collecting of bamboo fly rods, both classic and modern. 0.369 First found in the United States in 2014 in southeastern Pennsylvania, spotted lanternfly has spread rapidly through the eastern states. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. 0.088 Following tests I no longer cook UHU. A few of the tapers shown on the deflection comparison page are not listed here as they are from active rodmakers; out of professional courtesy I prefer not to offer those for sale. (Mark Wendt), Was the varnish allowance of .004 already subtracted from the numbers for the 661510, or does it need to be done? Still own the other and it has a DT6 on it. (Mark Wendt), At least according to Jack Howell's measured tapers in "The Lovely Reed". All that stops me is time, I get about six weeks a year unencumbered by business or meetings and I'm booked up to 2010! 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